E-Discovery Advice: “No Ask-y, No Get-y”
Monday, April 21st, 2008
In a time before e-discovery, I toiled away alongside a partner at Chapin, Fleming and Winet – Larry Shea. While not reducing his legal sagacity to one pithy catch phrase, his “no ask-y, no get-y” line is nevertheless a truism I often ponder.(i)
As a green associate, fresh out of law school, I had a number of idealistic (read: naïve) assumptions about how litigators wrangled over discovery disputes. One day, while dealing with a particularly thorny electronic discovery problem, I came to Larry and told him what I thought we wanted and why we needed it in a specific format. I knew that the opposition wasn’t likely to grant our e-discovery request, partially because they’d surely intuit how badly we needed it. Larry simply responded with his truism and explained that if we didn’t express our wishes we’d (a) likely not get what we wanted and (b) would not have established our position if push came to shove with the judge.
Well, I just read a recent case (Autotech Techs. Ltd. P’ship v. Automationdirect.com, Inc., 2008 WL 902957 (N.D. Ill. Apr. 2, 2008)) and it showed me that no matter how evolved the legal discovery process has become, the basic “no ask-y, no get-y” notion still applies.
In Autotech, the issue surrounded the production of electronically stored information (ESI) per Fed.R.Civ.P. 34(b)(2)(E) which basically says that court documents must be produced as they are kept in the “usual course of business” or in a “reasonably usable form.” Significantly, section (iii) also states that a party need not produce the same ESI in more than one form.
Unfortunately, the requesting party (ADC) didn’t specify a form for the production of the document at issue, so “Autotech had the option of producing it in the form in which it was ordinarily maintained, or in a reasonably usable form.” Similarly, ADC did not specify that it wanted metadata as a part of the responsive document production. The court was not sympathetic to ADC’s requests: “It seems a little late to ask for metadata after documents responsive to a request have been produced in both paper and electronic format.” The court ultimately found that “ADC was the master of its production requests; it must be satisfied with what it asked for.”
In other words, “no ask-y, no get-y.”
Yes, this all seems so simple, but parties still are routinely stepping in this same pothole. Useful e-discovery best practices to avoid this predicament follow along these lines:
- Determine what format of ESI production you’re going to require. This sometimes isn’t as easy as it sounds since there are a number of permutations of review environments, even for common platforms such as Concordance [s1]and Summation Work backwards with the attorney review team and their litigation support personnel to figure out what you’ll need and the type of “load files” that are required.
- Determine if you’ll likely want metadata. In lieu of any specific guidance, it’s fair to assume you’ll want metadata for spreadsheets (to calculate formulas), in cases involving computer forensics and for matters involving granular document authenticity/chain of custody, to name a popular few. The challenge is that you may not know about some of these issues at the time of the early Meet and Confer conferences. This is particularly important since there is a “modest legal presumption in most cases that the producing party need not take special efforts to preserve or produce metadata.” Williams, 230 F.R.D. at 651 (quoting The Sedona Principles, Comment 12a). So, the opposition may be on pretty solid footing if they claim that they had no duty to keep the metadata if you don’t make your needs known early on.
- Ask for what you want. Here, you’ll want to get specific, especially if you’re wisely carving out certain data types for different handling. Documenting your requests is a good practice too.
- Prepare to substantiate your needs for #1 & #2. Courts aren’t very willing to entertain overly broad requests for metadata if there isn’t a showing of need. So, be prepared to be challenged and have a solid rationale for the e-discovery request.
(i) His saying, “if ‘its’ and ‘buts’ were candy and nuts it would be Christmas all year long” is another great pearl, but I couldn’t find a good case law tie-in.




