Five Electronic Discovery Questions with Tom Gelbmann
Friday, March 6th, 2009
When we first started brainstorming about our “Five Questions” feature a few months back, Tom Gelbmann was on our short list of “must-have” interviewees. As most readers are probably aware, Tom Gelbmann, together with George Socha, founded the Electronic Discovery Reference Model (EDRM) project and, also with George, directs the annual Socha-Gelbmann Electronic Discovery Survey. Since 1993 he has been managing director of Gelbmann and Associates, a consultancy based in Saint Paul, Minnesota.
1. There’s been a lot of buzz (particularly within the vendor community!) about the changes to the Socha-Gelbmann Electronic Discovery Survey. You and George have written about this a bit before, but we’ll try to take a slightly different angle: Beyond concerns about people taking rankings out of context or as an excuse for not doing due diligence, were there specific trends and drivers among end-users of e-discovery products and services that motivated the change?
The most important reason for killing the rankings was that they were too often interpreted by end-users as being a “one size fits all” evaluation of top product and vendors, and we thought this type of decision-making was becoming increasingly dangerous as electronic discovery was increasingly in its visibility and importance. It was similar to a prospective car buyer focusing in on the cars that earned the Car & Driver Car of the Year award. They may not need a BMW 3-Series or a Porsche Boxster if they need something to haul lumber or transport the kids to hockey practice. We also saw the opportunity to deliver something that could be useful in identifying software and service providers that meet a set of requirements based on the EDRM model. The result of the overhaul of the Survey we are currently working on will be the capability to specify requirements, dial up/down weighting of criteria and see which providers fit those parameters. Our objective is to deliver something more useful than the rankings.
2. Your other main project is, of course, the Electronic Discovery Reference Model (EDRM). How did EDRM get started? Was it you and George scribbling on the back of a napkin in a coffee shop?
It wasn’t quite on the back of a napkin, but close – it was an Etch-a-Sketch®! Actually, the idea came out of the 2004 Socha-Gelbmann Electronic Discovery Survey. After the dust settled in the fall of 2004, we took a step back to look at what we learned. It wasn’t difficult to spot the #1 issue concerning consumers and providers: confusion and frustration over the lack of standards in the electronic discovery industry. Many people told us this was the Wild West and something needed to be done. That something was a standards initiative. The reference model approach came from looking at the tremendous value the Open Systems Interconnection Reference Model had on computer communications. Developed in the late 1970s, this model provided a common structure for development of products. We thought a similar approach would work for electronic discovery. We started talking to providers and consumers about this idea and initially thought we may get 15 or so organizations interested… 20 tops. We now list the EDRM alumni of 500+ individuals from 140+ organizations.
3. EDRM will be celebrating its 5th year at the upcoming May meeting in Saint Paul. What’s surprised you most about the first five years of the Project?
The biggest surprise by far is that there was a second year, to say nothing of a fifth year that we are now planning. We started out with the objective of keeping the project to a single year, thinking that having a hard deadline would motivate everyone to complete the project on time. We also knew that placing all content in the public domain would attract interest and participation in this initiative that would help the entire industry.
4. The global recession is having a tremendous impact on the electronic discovery community. Any thoughts on how the landscape will be reshaped coming out of the storm?
Potential influencers keep surfacing, making it difficult to anticipate what is around the corner. Certainly, we have seen and will continue to see consolidation of providers. Acquisitions will likely continue as will dissolutions. It is clear that everyone is tightening the belt. Some corporations and law firms who had begun to expand internal electronic discovery operations will sharply curtail or stop the expansion. Experienced, highly capable people will be out of a job and looking for new opportunities, which means short term turmoil for these folks, but hopefully long term success within well managed organizations. The volume of work doesn’t seem to be ebbing yet, so there is great opportunity for the survivors.
5. You and George Socha are the “Dynamic Duo” of electronic discovery and have been working together for a long time. Anything you want to reveal about George that might not be generally known? Hidden talents? Secret ambitions?
Interesting question. George is a man of many talents. One pleasant surprise to me was learning of his expertise in baking. I thought I was good at making good pie crusts, after a dozen years making Thanksgiving pies with my daughters. My crusts have gotten rave reviews from the family. But George is the real expert. His creations are a work of art. When it comes to secret ambitions, I think he would like to assemble a massively parallel computer complex in his home office. He has a good start with a half dozen monitors, several computers, servers, etc. and shows no signs of slowing down.


