Q&A with The Sedona Conference’s John Rabiej on Chief Justice Roberts, Proposed FRCP Amendments, and Congress’ Interest in eDiscovery
Wednesday, December 14th, 2011
Few people on the planet know more about federal rulemaking than John Rabiej, The Sedona Conference’s Director for Judicial Outreach. John’s experience is the result of serving as the Chief of the Rules Committee Support Office for nearly two decades, where he routinely worked with federal judges, including current Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, John Roberts. A key part of supporting the rulemaking process included building consensus among many different groups and individuals who sometimes held vastly different notions of whether and how rules should be changed.
In addition to his role with The Sedona Conference, John is an accomplished author who has written extensively on rules related issues. His publications include contributions to Moore’s Federal Practice, the Federal Lawyer, and Weinsten’s Federal Evidence. I’m pleased to provide John’s take on the increasingly public debate about whether or not the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (FRCP) should be amended.
Nelson: You are recognized as one of the leading experts on the Federal Rule making process. How did you gain that experience and notoriety?
Rabiej: I established the rules committee office within the Administrative Office of United States Courts nearly two decades ago to provide staff support to the Judicial Conference Committee on Rules of Practice and Procedure and its five advisory rules committees. In this capacity, I had the privilege and honor of working very closely with 31 federal circuit, district, and bankruptcy judges who chaired a rules committee. These chairs were personally selected by the Chief Justice and represented the very best of the federal judiciary. I learned from each of them and put their wise counsel to good use when I, in turn, provided advice to their successors. At the same time, I worked closely with the committee reporters, who are each stellar academics with national reputations for excellence. Over the years, I built up an institutional knowledge of rule amendments based on first-hand experiences.
I soon realized that rulemaking is a transparent, formal, quasi-legislative process, which typically requires a great deal of information gathering, consultation with interested groups, and consensus building. I played a unique role because I coordinated the rules work among the rules committees, other Judicial Conference committees, members of the Judicial Conference, Supreme Court staff, Congressional members and staff, Executive Branch officials, major bar organizations, academics, and interest groups. Because the federal rules have the force of law, buy-in from all these various major actors was a critical component of success. And many of my responsibilities were to ensure that the rules committees were advised of the concerns and different points of view of these various individuals and entities.
Nelson: Are there any interesting stories or life lessons you can share about working with any of the committee chairs and members?
Rabiej: Without exception, every rules committee chair in my experience has not only been exceptionally bright and intelligent, but also considerate and kind on a personal human level. They each displayed the highest level of judicial temperament. A good example is Chief Justice (then Judge) John Roberts’ patience in handling a particularly difficult public hearing. Several years ago, an elderly lawyer requested to testify on a proposed amendment to the Appellate Rules. I was unable to persuade the lawyer to withdraw the request, even though his request was the only one. Judge Roberts generously agreed to preside over the hearing by himself on the committee’s behalf. Witnesses testifying at rules hearings typically are given 10 minutes to make their presentations. With only Judge Roberts, a stenographer, and me in the hearing room, the lawyer made a 30-minute rambling presentation, which solely addressed a local incident allegedly involving criminal misconduct. It had absolutely nothing to do with the procedural appellate rule proposal under consideration. Judge Roberts never interrupted the lawyer. He patiently listened, genuinely was interested in the lawyer’s story, and responded with courtesy to all the lawyer’s questions. At the end, the lawyer was satisfied that he had his day in “court” and walked away content. This is only one of many examples of my experiences with rules committee judges acting in the finest traditions of the federal judiciary.
Nelson: Who is lobbying for changes to the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (“Rules”) and why?
Rabiej: Most rule amendment proposals are not controversial and are supported by general consensus. But a few have been especially contentious. Though rules are designed to apply to all parties in a neutral fashion, they can and do affect parties differently. When large amounts of money hang in the balance, parties and their representatives go to great pains to make sure that the rules committees take into consideration their concerns and points of view. The current debate on preservation and sanctions issues is the most recent example. The rules committees welcome such attention and close scrutiny because it leads to better and more informed rulemaking and greater buy-in from the affected parties and interest groups.
A loose coalition of officers from large corporations, corporate counsel, lawyers from large law firms, and interest groups, including Lawyers for Civil Justice, representing corporate and business clientele, is forming to advocate bold changes to the scope of discovery, which would narrow a party’s preservation obligations and limit a party’s vulnerability to spoliation sanctions. They argue that the cost of preservation is skyrocketing and that the vast bulk of information preserved is unnecessary and has little to do with the merits of a case. They contend that all too often they are compelled by law to preserve voluminous information even though a law suit will never be filed. Opposing them is a similarly loose coalition of plaintiffs’ lawyers, law firms, and interest groups, including the Association for American Justice, representing interests of plaintiff lawyers, who defend the rules’ status quo, contending that little, if any, change is necessary and that any narrowing of the preservation obligation or discovery scope would deny the rights of their clients. They contend that corporations are obligated under many different sources of law and regulations to preserve records irrespective of litigation demands. They also contend that any change to the rules would unnecessarily increase the risk of destruction of evidence that is critical to the merits of the case.
Nelson: Are there viable alternatives to changing the Rules?
Rabiej: Lawyers in many cases do not raise any preservation or spoliation sanction issues with the court. It is unclear to me whether such inaction in an individual case is a consequence of the lawyers’ ignorance of potential eDiscovery issues or of the lawyers’ cooperation in addressing eDiscovery issues before they become problems, which The Sedona Conference® strongly advocates. (See The Sedona Conference® Cooperation Proclamation). In wrestling with preservation and spoliation sanction issues, the rules committees recognize that rules rarely provide the entire answer and, in fact, rules typically have only a very limited effect. Instead, judicial education, training of the bar, and changes in litigation culture offer more promising and permanent solutions. The rules committees are actively exploring each of these avenues with outside groups, including the Federal Judicial Center and The Sedona Conference® among others, to promote such solutions.
Though the Judicial Conference of the United States strongly opposes direct amendment of the rules by legislation, it recognizes the Congressional prerogative to do so. Congress has rarely exercised its prerogative, however, giving due deference to the rulemaking process and recognizing that the rules produced under the process are the best. At the same time, rules committees understand that the Rules Enabling Act limits their authority to promulgating only procedural rules, which do “not abridge, enlarge or modify any substantive right.” Rules committees are very circumspect about their rulemaking authority. They are justifiably reluctant to pursue rules proposals that might be viewed by some to exceed their authority and encroach on Congress’s domain. This “Rules Enabling Act” issue has been raised regarding some aspects of the preservation proposals under consideration. So the rules committees are confronted with issues that raise several exquisitely delicate questions of policy and comity.
Nelson: You’ve been involved in a lot of discussions regarding Rule amendments throughout your career. How does the current discussion rate in terms of importance?
Rabiej: The current debate on preservation and spoliation sanctions raises issues about the scope of discovery, a major litigation cost. Because the preservation costs incurred in some cases can be extremely large, the extent of spoliation sanctions for failing to preserve relevant information can be damaging, and the destruction of potentially critical evidence devastating. It is not surprising that representatives of both plaintiffs and defendants are so passionately pressing their positions before the rule committees. In my experience, the level of interest in these issues equals the interest shown in only a very few past controversial amendments, including proposals affecting class actions, Daubert evidentiary procedures, and the earlier discovery scope amendments in 2000. The keen degree of interest in the issues under consideration is reflected by the extent of Congressional participation. Five House Judiciary Committee members of the minority and majority staffs attended the recent Civil Rules Committee meeting on preservation-related amendments in Washington DC in November. A hearing before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution on preservation costs was recently scheduled, but later postponed until December 13, 2012. It is clear to me that Congress will take a hard look at preservation costs and burdens. The rules committees are not blind to Congressional interest. The rulemaking process is a responsibility shared with Congress and the Executive Branch, and the rules committees give the views of the other two Branches due respect in their deliberations.
John Rabiej is an attorney, The Sedona Conference’s Director for Judicial Outreach, and former Chief of the Rules Committee Support Office. To learn more about FRCP developments email Matt Nelson at Matt_Nelson@Symantec.com or follow Matt on Twitter at @InfoGovlawer.
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