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Five E-Discovery Questions with Monica Bay

Friday, October 31st, 2008

Today’s questionee is Monica Bay, editor-in-chief of Law Technology News. Not only is she the author of The Common Scold, Law Technology Now podcasts, and co-author of the EDD Update blog, but she is also a rabid New York Yankees fan (as you will see below).  Let’s get to the questions.

1) As a lawyer, what advice would you give litigation support professionals to them to help foster more successful and productive litigation support-lawyer relationships?

In June, I wrote “Can You Adapt?” in Law Technology News which explores the changing terrain of EDD support staff. Increasingly, vendors, law firms and corporate counsel are hiring lawyers to handle e-discovery, particularly the review phase. This is creating tremendous opportunities for both attorneys and non-attorney professionals to further develop their careers, and make a whole lot of money (we’re already seeing poaching).

As for advice, it is the same I would give anyone in any job. Think baseball:

  • Be a team player: It’s about the team, not the individual. You win and lose as a team. (See, Derek Jeter).
  • Play your position well: Make yourself indispensible… be reliable, accurate, prompt, and anticipate needs. Raise your hand when there’s a job nobody wants to do because it’s too complicated or detailed. Extra points for utility players (See, Miguel Cairo).
  • Home runs are great, but small ball wins more games. Watch the details. (See, Tampa Bay Rays)
  • Take pre-emptive strikes: If you screw up, tell your boss immediately. It is far better for YOU to bring it to your boss than the reverse. Don’t try to hide problems (See, Tanyon Sturtz).
  • Bring answers, not problems. Don’t whine. Instead of complaining about problems to your boss, come to her with alternatives. Show initiative and ingenuity. (See, Derek Jeter, Joe Girardi)
  • Be low maintenance. ‘Nuf said. Even Manny got traded for being a pain. (See, Jeter, Abreu, Nady, Posada, et al)
  • Don’t sit back and wait to be noticed. Ask for promotions. Do your homework, know the market, don’t take the first offer – negotiate. This is particularly important for women, who traditionally haven’t been encouraged to be assertive. (See Joe Torre, Joe Maddon)
  • Don’t exaggerate your own importance. (See, Scott Boras, re: B. Molina, Rodriquez, etc.).
  • Be loyal, work hard, kind, considerate, passionate, diligent, and work smart (See, Derek Jeter)

2) Socha-Gelbmann abandoning their existing ranking system: Good or bad (or both), and why?

Good.  George Socha and Tom Gelbmann, creators of the Socha/Gelbmann E-Discovery Survey, have said that they are rethinking how they rank, because too many folks were “foolishly” simply relying on their reports rather than doing the necessary due diligence to be sure they were buying the right products. I applaud them and look forward to the next iteration.

3) Helping strengthen the legal technology community is obviously a big passion of yours. Any new issues you are championing?

My latest crusade is the result of recent disheartening news reports that document severe gender gaps in pay for members of our profession; as well as the latest statistics about how painfully difficult it is for minority lawyers to climb partnership ranks, especially in large firms. Even among paralegal ranks there is a gender gap, which is especially ridiculous because that’s an area dominated by women.

There are no easy answers to these problems, but we simply must address them. In our October issue, I challenged every law firm managing partner, vendor CEO and company GC to immediately remedy gender pay gaps in their shops. There is no excuse for those. Solving the issue of obstacles facing career growth for women, minorities, gays and lesbians is a more challenging and nuanced problem, but one that we simply must make a top priority and continue to address. We cannot give up. It is only right and just. I wrote about this in our November issue, and will continue to keep it front and center in LTN.

4) Since it’s Halloween, we’ll ask a scary question. In your view, is e-discovery in its current state a help or a hindrance to the legal system?

The short answer is that it’s both. But e-discovery is here to stay, and the challenge before us is to work to develop systems and protocols that help us attain the real goal – to resolve disputes in a fair, speedy, reasonable manner.

I worry that litigation costs have so escalated that disputes today are being resolved more based on risk management assessments (e.g., the cost of the litigation) than the actual merits of the dispute.

5) Finally, be honest with us: How do you REALLY determine who gets to be in the President’s Corner?

Narrowing it down to the most newsworthy releases of the month, and then finding the one photo among all the finalists that’s actually in focus.

Five E-Discovery Questions with Craig Ball

Tuesday, August 12th, 2008

cball1.gifIn the spirit of the popular New York Times magazine feature, with this post we inaugurate what we hope to be a long-running series of interviews with e-discovery luminaries to get their take on emerging ideas and trends (and hopefully have some fun as well).

Today’s questionee is e-discovery and forensics expert (and popular Law Technology News columnist) Craig Ball.  Craig’s combination of wit and insight speaks for itself, so let’s just get right to the questions.

1) The cases that are on everyone’s mind are O’Keefe/Lundin and Victor Stanley. What’s the practical impact of these rulings to the e-discovery practitioner?

Certainly these decisions have captured my enthusiastic attention.  Lawyers now have to devote greater care and thought to electronic search, and wake to the empirical evidence establishing the shocking shortfalls of keyword search in unstructured ESI collections.  The days of “let’s try these search terms and see what happens” are numbered.  Queries that will be run across mushrooming collections must pass muster in terms of noisiness, ambiguity, potential for misspelling, affinity to stemming, synonyms, slang, acronyms, IM-speak and other criteria unfamiliar to a profession that prides itself on precise expression.  Lawyers need to embrace concepts of “precision,” “recall” and “sampling” with the same fervor we once brought to the Statute of Frauds and the Rule Against Perpetuities.

Currently, lawyers on both the north and south sides of the docket are the unjust beneficiaries of slipshod search.  Requesting parties benefit from the economic leverage attendant to costly-yet-unavailing fishing expeditions while counsel for producing parties mint obscene pyramidal profits reviewing mountains of electrochaff.  Despite all the vitriol, rarely does either side’s counsel set out to exploit flawed searches.  It’s mostly blissful ignorance at work, coupled with little incentive to fix what’s broken.  Accordingly, Judges like Facciola and Grimm are picking up the baton and running with it.  It’ll be a long, tough race—and not every jurist will head for the tape—but I applaud those who’ve left the blocks!

Search demands nuance, discipline and scientific method.  Prepare to routinely test queries against sample collections, as soon that practice will be as commonplace as DNA testing in paternity cases.

2) What can e-discovery technology providers do to help?

At the risk of appearing ungracious, I can’t help but note that vendors eat at the same gluttonous table as lawyers, and vendor marketing is often so much snake oil.  Until the EDD vendor community takes a longer view of the market, stops building businesses for acquisition and starts building them to last, I don’t think they can be of much help.  The industry should stop pretending their processes and software are “proprietary” and touting their secret sauces.  Instead, how about delivering consistent, predictable service and pricing delivered by experienced, reliable and unflinchingly honest, genuinely knowledgeable personnel who welcome the chance to help lawyers understand this stuff.  If employees stayed around more than six months, that would be nice, too.

3) You recently participated in a new track at LegalTech West called FutureTech.  For those who missed it or the follow-up podcasts, what’s an emerging e-discovery trend that you think might take people by surprise?

Several come to mind.  Mediated meet-and-confer, for example.  The cost of a failed EDD effort can dwarf the amount in controversy, so it makes sense to turn to neutral, technically adept intermediaries to help resolve nettlesome questions, of scope, search, forms of production and cost sharing.  Folks just behave better when company comes.  I also foresee divergence between discovery and the other traditional phases of litigation.  We may see entirely different teams handle discovery in a zealous but non-confrontational manner, leaving the scorched earth stuff to others.

Another development that will sneak up on most lawyers is the growing marginalization of text.  As natural interfaces emerge—where you will talk or gesture to your computers—and as communication gets more real time and visual, words will manifest conduct less frequently.  Take YouTube.  I don’t get it—to me, it’s silly and boring—but it’s rich and exciting to my kids…and text is tertiary.

Something else that will change is where we look for evidence.  If you were pursuing discovery against a teenager, where would you go to locate their most revealing ESI?   Social networking (virtualized storage)?   Cell phones and laptops (portable devices)?   Gaming devices (alternate platforms)?  In ten years, don’t imagine they won’t favor and extend the tools they grew up with.

Data is the ultimate portable commodity, so it’s odd we don’t take our computing environments with us. We will. If desktop machines survive, they will be little more than screens with network connectivity temporarily hosting the virtual identities we carry in our pockets or store online. Local hard drives will be an increasingly irrelevant place to search for files as EDD turns to personal storage devices and online storage.

Other trends lawyers may not foresee: People will retain much more data as there will be little incentive and less time to make it go away. “Cheaper to keep her” will be how most of us deal with data.  Location data will be routinely tracked by many devices with GPS functionality on and about our person, so this will become a new and useful evidence stream.  Virtual machines will be used as forms of production.  Local storage will give way to cloud storage.  Hey, I could do this one all day!

4) You have an extensive background in both e-discovery and computer forensics. Do you see a convergence, or will they remain largely separate worlds from a process and technology perspective?

I see convergence already.  “Forensically sound” practices are creeping into EDD harvest and traditionally rigid approaches to disk forensics are being challenged by the practical realities of immense volume and mission-critical operations.   We see the growth of “live” forensics, hash values displacing Bates numbers and operating systems allowing more and more deleted information to be easily resurrected.

The tools and techniques of each discipline are also converging.  But there will remain a distinction between the two flowing from the unique ability of a skilled forensics examiner to distill the bits and bytes into a compelling tale of human strength or frailty.  It’s painfully easy to misread the significance of digital footprints.  There’s a component of science and art to computer forensics that will insure its distinction and growth.

We face convergent challenges, too.  In both forensics and EDD, the lure of lucre pulls in people who really ought to be doing something less harmful.  Lives, liberty, fortunes, and careers hinge on some computer forensic examinations; yet, some schools and tool sellers promote the notion that you can learn what you need to know over a long weekend.  Just as many copy shops decided they were e-discovery experts one dark night, a lot of poorly trained, incurious and careless forensic examiners are popping up all over.  I’m frankly appalled by some of what I see out there.   Where I hope we ultimately converge is a high standard of professionalism and proven expertise.

5) Finally, the question on the mind of every loyal “Ball in Your Court” reader: Which court is it — basketball, tennis, or volleyball?

I’ve never been much for team sports, but if I have to choose, I opt for the one played on the beach by fit, bikini-clad women.  I may be a hopeless nerd, but I’m not stupid.